Do you believe?

[TomOfSweden]

I was talking about the drugs; ex was initially developed for exactly this reason -- to stimulate "joy" as a chemical antidote to depression. Whether or not you agree it should be banned, I think it's fairly clear its led to alot of problems.

Are you seriously making a case against science? There's no system behind happiness. What ever works for you is great. BTW not all drugs where developed in labs. Science wasn't developed into a method until 2620 BC under the rule of Imhoptep in Egypt. All people have since the dawn of man used drugs. This is probably the very first few generations in the entire history of man who aren't chronically off their rockers and doped up. Science have shown that early man where very much devoted to their drugs and being high/drunk.

See, it seems to me you've chosen to disbelieve in anything that isn't proven according to your own understanding (and technically, all scientific 'proofs' are simply not proven wrong, not inherently proven right); an equally close minded point of view that leads to nothing but stagnation. I'm not arguing for any specific religion, and yes, I think faith should be subject to experience (shouldn't everything?) but to state so vehemently that all religion is wrong is just as obtuse and unfounded as stating it's all correct.

That's just the thing isn't it. You're somehow comparing science to religion as they are some parellel belief systems. Science is just one of many systematic methods of finding the truth. Science is undeniable, it's its results you can have opinions about. Religion isn't even in the same ball-game...or sport. If you think scientists are closed minded I suggest you reading up. It's about training your mind to be open minded to the extreme, but also how to avoid wasting your time going down killed off routes. Link

Religions are about accepting a package deal. You get the set of moral codes, supernatural forces and a beach-ball. Science is about refuting all package deals if any of the components don't stack up. We know some of the Bible is arrent nonsense. Why not just accept that the Bible doesn't have all the answers? It might be a nice guide but no more. I can't understand why religious people have a problem with this. The result is that religions are dangerous. The MTV generation are turning to god in increasing numbers. Very bad. I've followed the creationist debate in Kansas. I hope you agree that it's an absolute joke.