i for one would like to take a moment to compliment the other members of this threat if found allmost all responses to Willem's post intelligent amazingly patient and quite lighthearted considering a personal attack by someone truly in the dark as to what bdsm is. Willem think about it bdsm stand for bondage/ DISCIPLINE/sado/MASOCHIST THERE FOR IT TRULY IS ABOUT DOMINATING BOTH MIND AND BODY BY SIMPLE DEFINITION. most just choose not to state the obvious and instead focus on the more "entertaining" aspect of thier lifestyle