Aphrodisiac?

[BDSM_Tourguide]

Is strength a turn on or a turn off? Just interested in the answers.

There's a HUGE difference between a "fiesty" "submissive" and a strong submissive. A fiesty submissive that wants to be "tamed" or acts like a brat just to get a spanking isn't strong, she's manipulative.

Submissives, actual submissives, should be strong, but they can draw their strength from knowing they are pleasing without being manipulative and can have an opinion without being a smartass.

A brat, or a "tame me" type submissive are not turn-ons to me at all. They are nuisances that give good submissives bad names.

[Dslave]

There's a HUGE difference between a "fiesty" "submissive" and a strong submissive.

I agree. Being fiesty doesn't mean you are strong, they are two different things, and I was reffering to two different things in my post. Though, both can be combined.

[Barton]

Yes, a sub can be both strong and feisty at the same time. However the distinction between a strong(feisty) sub and a manipulator is a fine one. A sub who tries to control or direct things is a manipulator and not worth much time or effort.

Barton

[Dslave]

A sub who tries to control or direct things is a manipulator and not worth much time or effort.

I tend to think that if you are manipulating you are not much of a submissive at all because that really ISN'T submitting by any sense of the word. "Submissives" like that give real/true submissives a bad name, IMO. Again, just my opinion.