This thread has been here forever and it never interested me much but I had more free time today than usual...reading backwards from the last page, I finally stopped at Mnemonic's post since he brought up the point I had in my mind when I began reading. I refuse to believe there is no Spaniard into the lifestyle so they must all be lurking. So correct me if I am wrong but I believe the Spanish culture consider fat like any other physical characteristic such as having red hair, flat feet, etc. It is by no means an insult, just a matter of fact. In this spirit, I agree with those that this thread is like "flogging a dead horse".

Ugly is a different story. But that's just the flip side of beauty. Perhaps we can all discuss the beauty of women versus machine? And yes, I pick machine =P