Removing underage stories

[daddiebear50]

JJ frap;

Study history. Non violence has always, (at least in recent history) been more effective than violence. (Dr ML King was the epitomy of this and look what he accomplished, and an offered scenario in Claney's Ryan series (do't remember which one) sugggested a time when the Palistinian figured it out ala a Kent State affair (guess they don't read Clancey) is great food for thought.

[Alex Bragi]

Ed, sure we can agree to disagree.

I don't always agree with my friends, but that's often what makes them even more interesting to know. Please consider me one of yours.

[Carnivale Ed]

I don't always agree with my friends, but that's often what makes them even more interesting to know.

I couldn't agree more.

I will, indeed, consider you a friend, and will be most honoured if you consent to do the same.

Thank goodness I can stop defending child porn, even if it is of the fictional variety. I was beginning to feel icky. Perhaps that, most of all, finally proves your point?

CE

[delish]

This is a very simple issue that some people are sullying with personal opinions. You don't like pedophiles. Good! Me neither. I hate 'em, on a very personal level. The stories with minors make you uncomfortable. Don't read them. But don't cheer because Jinn is being forced to remove the "young" stories unless you're ready to cheer the day anything the US government deems to be "hardcore" is removed from US servers, and any other servers they can bully into sanctioning this action.

Pay attention, folks. You're humming a cheery song as your personal freedoms are being removed right under your own noses. And I think that scares me more than what the government is doing; the fact that so many supposedly broad-minded people are so willing to support this. I think Carnivale Ed said it best, but I'm too lazy to quote so I'll paraphrase. Go back and read it for full effect, though.

Don't applaud the loss of something simply because you don't like it. Examine why it was lost, and then mourn it. /Carnivale Ed sorta-quote

If you can't get past the category that's being removed, pretend it's something else. Pretend it's whatever category you come here to read because it's so much better, so much more explicit, so much dirtier and vast and beautifully eclectic than any other site I've seen (with the possible exception of Asstr). Pretend it's the category you read when no one else is looking, and you found the best selection of stories on that particular subject right here at BDSM library. That's not such a stretch. In fact... Pretend that the whole site is coming down right now. In a way, it is.

Do you understand why this is such a bad thing? Does anyone really feel like there's nothing wrong with what's going on? Anyone?

'lish

[Rocky]

Well, I saw there was an update today (or maybe it was yesterday), the "underage stories will be removed" banner is no longer on the front page, and I have yet to received the promised e-mail regarding removal of my stories with the "young" tag. I haven't checked to see if they're still visible, but as of yesterday they were.

Does this mean there's been a change in plans?

[Rocky]

Well, I saw there was an update today (or maybe it was yesterday), the "underage stories will be removed" banner is no longer on the front page, and I have yet to received the promised e-mail regarding removal of my stories with the "young" tag. I haven't checked to see if they're still visible, but as of yesterday they were.

Does this mean there's been a change in plans?

Appending to my post, I also just noticed that at least one of the just-posted stories does have the young tag, so perhaps I won't have to decide which of my stories will be revised, and which won't be because the story line would be corrupted beyond repair.

[lex ludite]

Appending to my post, I also just noticed that at least one of the just-posted stories does have the young tag, so perhaps I won't have to decide which of my stories will be revised, and which won't be because the story line would be corrupted beyond repair.

I have the same questions as you do. There are a variety of possibilities to consider, such as that the Library contains almost 4000 stories, and someone has to go through this stack and pick out the ones using the "young" tag. In addition most authors didn't bother using that since "teen" covered everything. This is assuming that all authors paid attention to the original guidelines of no characters under the age of 13! If you were following that requirement, there was no need to bother with "young". Now the problem is magnified by orders of magnitude, since it's no longer a matter of looking for a key word, but it requires that someone now wade through the text for any story that has the code word "teen". Personally I'm holding up on posting anything more to the site until this issue has been resolved. As I've already noted, I have no intention of rewriting anything that I've already posted. Jinn can take it down and keep it down, that's his choice.

[Rocky]

I have the same questions as you do. There are a variety of possibilities to consider, such as that the Library contains almost 4000 stories, and someone has to go through this stack and pick out the ones using the "young" tag. In addition most authors didn't bother using that since "teen" covered everything. This is assuming that all authors paid attention to the original guidelines of no characters under the age of 13! If you were following that requirement, there was no need to bother with "young". Now the problem is magnified by orders of magnitude, since it's no longer a matter of looking for a key word, but it requires that someone now wade through the text for any story that has the code word "teen". Personally I'm holding up on posting anything more to the site until this issue has been resolved. As I've already noted, I have no intention of rewriting anything that I've already posted. Jinn can take it down and keep it down, that's his choice.

That could be, but it seems that if plans have not been changed, then a story with a "young" tag would have not been posted so recently. I agree that many underage stories simply used "teen," and some used none at all, which would indeed mean rummaging through every work here to see if there is a 17 year old lurking somewhere.

Assuming the removal of such stories does occur, I will probably revise some of mine so that people can continue to enjoy them here. I think I could do this without ruining the story line in some cases. However, there are a few ("Memoirs of a Slave Girl," for example) for which such an revision would simply not work. I'll simply post my stories with underage characters elsewhere...though bdsmlibrary.com is my absolute favorite story site!

[erotic_nibbles]

Jinn you and I have discussed this many times, so you know I support you fully in this to, hopefully, keep the site up and going.

Bottom line is this....reality check people....say what you want, have your opinions, etc.....reality is that child porn in ANY form is a HOT HOT HOT button in the USA today......if the site was taken down for it and Jinn fought it he may win in court, he may not...who knows really.....but to the bottom line here.....the site would be down meanwhile...and just where we would all go huh?.....and I'm not talking about the story library here....I'm talking about the Forums wherein we all hang out together talking and sharing views that go way beyond BDSM into friendships that some have even extended into meeting in real life

And for those of you that say, "....full steam ahead..."....well I support that to, but I would also say that maybe you should considering creating your own site and hanging your bare butt out there for the government to take whacks at ...and I say that with all kindness....seriously if you feel that strongly about it I say go for it!....and I know those of you that said that also said you support Jinn and what he thinks is right for this site

Meanwhile this site does belong to Jinn....he had the concept for it, he built it and he currently maintains the whole of it with little to no help from anyone here and I for one am extremely grateful.....so thank you very much Jinn!....I say we all owe you all the support we can give, in whatever you think is right to keep the site going....especially since we are the ones that benefit from it and yet it wouldn't be any of us sitting in a chair next to a Defense Attorney in Federal court

Ok have at me.....lol....I can take it.....<-----runs and hides now

~~nibbles~~

[Kaori-san]

Jinn you and I have discussed this many times, so you know I support you fully in this to, hopefully, keep the site up and going.

Bottom line is this....reality check people....say what you want, have your opinions, etc.....reality is that child porn in ANY form is a HOT HOT HOT button in the USA today......if the site was taken down for it and Jinn fought it he may win in court, he may not...who knows really.....but to the bottom line here.....the site would be down meanwhile...and just where we would all go huh?.....and I'm not talking about the story library here....I'm talking about the Forums wherein we all hang out together talking and sharing views that go way beyond BDSM into friendships that some have even extended into meeting in real life

And for those of you that say, "....full steam ahead..."....well I support that to, but I would also say that maybe you should considering creating your own site and hanging your bare butt out there for the government to take whacks at ...and I say that with all kindness....seriously if you feel that strongly about it I say go for it!....and I know those of you that said that also said you support Jinn and what he thinks is right for this site

Meanwhile this site does belong to Jinn....he had the concept for it, he built it and he currently maintains the whole of it with little to no help from anyone here and I for one am extremely grateful.....so thank you very much Jinn!....I say we all owe you all the support we can give, in whatever you think is right to keep the site going....especially since we are the ones that benefit from it and yet it wouldn't be any of us sitting in a chair next to a Defense Attorney in Federal court

Ok have at me.....lol....I can take it.....<-----runs and hides now

~~nibbles~~

:applaus: Well said nibbles I agree... it is Jinn's site and his decision, and this site (particually the forums) is an amazing place to meet and greet such nice people from all walks of life.

[chromedome11]

JJ frap;

Study history. Non violence has always, (at least in recent history) been more effective than violence. (Dr ML King was the epitomy of this and look what he accomplished, and an offered scenario in Claney's Ryan series (do't remember which one) sugggested a time when the Palistinian figured it out ala a Kent State affair (guess they don't read Clancey) is great food for thought.

Your idealism is admirable, daddiebear, but unfortunately will not help those who need it most.

Non-violence works in democracies. In fact, if you resort to violence against a democracy, then you know your cause is unjust.

Non-violence in a dictarorship is totally ineffective. It's only going to get you tortured, killed, or both. The only thing dictators understand is force. If you're not willing to support toppling dictatorships with force, your words are hollow, and you're deserting those you profess to care about.