Blake: c'mon, you can't honestly be trying to differentiate between a book, and a text file. Thats like trying to say a phone conversation is not the same as speaking over a walkie talkie, different medium, but still words. In my eyes, the internet is one big book.. only it starts with google and ends with a file extention. But thats not your point, as much as I dislike censorship, I have no qualm with providing 18+ only security measures; if it means that the internet can continue to provide for adult tatses im all for it.
I think you're missing my point. No, to me there is no difference. It is all words, and that's the solid foundation of expression in this respect. But a book, compared to text, is really different. A book exists in reality, text doesn't truly. It's easier to destroy text then it is to destroy a book, so they're going after the text on the internet. There is a difference, in their eyes. You've heard them call things smut vs literature. Im speaking from their perspective, as best as I can say it while still making a sort of sense.. that truly makes no sense in reality.

To stop a book, that truly would go against freedom of expression. It's really more black and white in that way. But on the internet, they can slither through and around expressions, and claim them to be indecent, smut, and so on. It's lax, it's very easily connected, and so they are very easily connecting their 'points' and 'views' in a chain around everything that is being expressed. Children being the main focus. Protecting the children from accidentally viewing,(or direct viewing) tying in other aspects to slowly create a chain that reaches around everything, and is strong enough to contain certain expressions. I mean, junk mail in itself, I read something about it being banned, or something in the process of being put into place, where any junk mail of the sorts that is sent to a childs email, the sender will get into a load of trouble. Well sure, that's good, children shouldn't be subjected to that, but.. that begs the question should children be on here. Sure I guess, but children shouldn't be the focal point for a expression field. They've become the weapons against expression. Anyhow, blocking off small pieces of a larger section of expression is how they are doing it. Starting off with the more, blunt ways. Child rape stories, and so on. Again, since the stories are so short, people who don't understand or care to understand them see them exactly how they want to see them, and it purely comes out as the worst of smut.

No, text and a book are different. Atleast to them. One is on a computer, another is physically printed onto pieces of paper, stamped, blah blah.(yea, all after the fact examples, but those things they cling to, which is worthless facts that shadow what truly is the heart of the problem) The internet just is an easy place for them to place an iron grip over expression of sorts. They don't like BDSM, or any form of sex like it. And as the internet is, like you said, one large book, or as I said, one Mind, it's very open, and easy to be 'structured'. How they even got a foothold on the internet to impose such things is beyond me, i guess since they made it? I donno. We make the internet really. Anyhow.. Ramble. It's just text to them, obsene text, they won't consider it as literature, and want it removed from humanity. The internets a breeding ground for it, so they're having a field day.

No, I completely agree with you, I don't agree with what I have stated in my other post, im simply throwing a perspective of some people that agree with it, in the lightest way i can. To me, there is no difference. And I know they would have more trouble breaking down a novel, printed and distributed on paper back that has sex/rape of a minor, then they ever will with 'text' on the internet. The difference between a phone and a walkie talkie is not to large. The difference between data on a screen and a printed version is. It's still expression, but one is truly solid, the other is just part of a mass of a 'sickness' that's floating around 'infecting' the youth and 'innocence' and 'light' of a 'great' 'society'.

It's hard to defend your position when your opponents have a warped limited generalized view of everything that is different to them. Building a bridge betwen them and you is a good way to start actually having decent discussions, without them slamming "it's wrong" "you are just sick", and crap like that. But the problem is, then it becomes an all out war once those bridges are built, and true conflicts of ideals and understands arise. Right now, they're just bouncing off of eachother, and since they have power, their assualts do damage, slowly, one step at a time. Atleast bdsm is not internet based, or it's be crippled in no Time. If they wanted to go after bdsm, they'd have to go after it in reality, not in a digital way. Anyhow, truly ramble.

I do agree with you, just needed to make that clear. And all of this is just an opinon.


You should read it, its unlike anything else out there. But.. the story actually goes to extreeme lengths to illustrate Patrick Batemans (lead character) shallowness. He spends whole chapters depicting his after shower routine, others on his opinion of Huey Lewis and the news. Then others still on how the tortures and dismemembers prostitutes. Its a sociopath thing.
I definatly will at some point, thanks for the tid bits about it, definatly caught my attention.