Is it topping from the bottom or orneriness?

[Talia]

I've always grew up to understanding orneriness to meaning playful and being silly. Now, I do have this side to me. I love to laugh. I say quick witted things just to get and quick response from Master. It's usually a swat. I love it. Sometimes, I need to feel him, others I need the domination.

Is this topping from the bottom?

In some thread some where I read where a sub teased her Master by masterbating in the hallway of their apartment. The Master was talking to a guest and from where he was sitting the the room he had perfect view of her but the other person did not. Later he punished her for being naughty (playfully I beleive) but in response to his post some said his sub was topping from the bottome.....why? Why couldn't this be looked upon as orneriness, or playfulness by the sub?

Is this topping from the bottom?

One night I decided I was tired of being up on the back burner where my ex was concerned. I knelt in front of him, explained how I needed him and loved him. He walked away....I lost my temper from the rejection and we had a yelling match.

Is this topping from the bottom?

I mean, I am careful with how I do things so as to NOT top from the bottom. One thing I love about my Master is that he likes my playful side and doesn't mind my "orneriness". I hate when someone from outside says "she tops from the bottom". I know Master will have his say if I cross the line. So, why is it, that others think they have the right to say or judge..who is topping from the bottom?

Master's disarray Grace

[_ID_]

I've always grew up to understanding orneriness to meaning playful and being silly. Now, I do have this side to me. I love to laugh. I say quick witted things just to get and quick response from Master. It's usually a swat. I love it. Sometimes, I need to feel him, others I need the domination.

Is this topping from the bottom?

No, thats playful

In some thread some where I read where a sub teased her Master by masterbating in the hallway of their apartment. The Master was talking to a guest and from where he was sitting the the room he had perfect view of her but the other person did not. Later he punished her for being naughty (playfully I beleive) but in response to his post some said his sub was topping from the bottome.....why? Why couldn't this be looked upon as orneriness, or playfulness by the sub?

Is this topping from the bottom?

No this is also playful

One night I decided I was tired of being up on the back burner where my ex was concerned. I knelt in front of him, explained how I needed him and loved him. He walked away....I lost my temper from the rejection and we had a yelling match.

Is this topping from the bottom?

it could have been, depending on your intent...

I mean, I am careful with how I do things so as to NOT top from the bottom. One thing I love about my Master is that he likes my playful side and doesn't mind my "orneriness". I hate when someone from outside says "she tops from the bottom". I know Master will have his say if I cross the line. So, why is it, that others think they have the right to say or judge..who is topping from the bottom?

Master's disarray Grace

Its all perspective.

[orchidsoul]

Hi Talia,

I think it sounds more like your playful, perhaps even a little saucy/cheeky (in the best of ways), for the most part. If your Master appreciates all these qualities about you, that's all that matters.

Some Dom/mes would not want their subs to have any of these traits, and others endear it as it seems your Master does. Personally, I think it's sexy and playful and hope that any man I'm with would appreciate it as well. Whether sub or not, it's fun to turn our partners on (looking at the example of the woman masterbating where only her Master could see her)

My understanding of "Topping from the bottom" is that of Hellish's- manipulating a situation, but not always ill intended. It's a Subs job to be open and honest with a Dom/me, and that means telling them specific things, but say you mention that you'd love to be randomly taken in the doorway (bear with my poor example!)... I think topping from the bottom would come into play if you said two days later "tonights a good night to take me in the doorway", or behaving poorly to try and manipulate some punishment to take place in the doorway (you see here why my doorway example is poor! lol but I'm going with it) I think that's more of a clear example of a manipulative intent as opposed to innocent.


Cariad- Very funny!!!!!! Good work.

ID- Would you mind elaborating on:

it could have been, depending on your intent...

I ask because I think this is a really good example of a situation where fine lines exist as to whether it's considered topping from the bottom.

Thanks Talia- this is always an interesting topic of discussion/education to me.