The Socialistic Shit-Case

[his_girl_l]

i agree with you. Ensuring young mothers and their children have access to support isn't socialism - it's compassion.

i guess what i was trying to say is that it isn't always helpful to label policies with often outdated concepts of political theory. It tends to inflame people rather than helping debate.

[lucy]

I cannot help but get the impression that this was exactly one of the purposes of the thread title. I could be wrong, tho.

Something else: i have no idea how this is in other countries, but where i live nobody "enjoys" having to go to get welfare. You're kinda stigmatised if you have to, even if it's not your fault (for example when your shithead of a husband has left you and doesn't pay his alimony)

[Logic1]

i agree with you. Ensuring young mothers and their children have access to support isn't socialism - it's compassion.

or just plain ole humanism perhaps

I dont get the whole US scare with socialism actually. It is like they draw a = between that and communism which isnt at all the same. Stuck in the 50s and 60s maybe?
What is wrong with helping eachother out? People to me, isnt as good as the money they make and they shouldnt be either.

(and just some info. I dont consider myself a socialist either)

[Thorne]

I dont get the whole US scare with socialism actually.

I don't know about scared, but I'll tell you my problem with socialism, at least socialism as I understand it.

Socialism demands that those who work hard to earn a living and make something of themselves must donate money (through taxes) to those who aren't interested in working hard, but are more interested in getting a free ride. The hard workers have no say in who gets their tax money, whether it goes to the sick, or injured, or those who are just plain unlucky. Everyone gets a piece, deserving or not.

There are organizations which are designed to help those who cannot help themselves (that's CANnot, not WILL not.) Those who wish to help these downtrodden and deserving people can do so, voluntarily, by donating to these organizations. This makes it more likely that those who are truly deserving receive the help they need, while those who are just lazy do not.

This is probably a simplistic view of things, but it's basically the way I see things. As it stands, far too much of my tax money goes to support people and institutions which I don't believe are deserving of help, so I refuse to donate to charity, either financially or with my time. If the government is so concerned for these people, let them help. They certainly get enough of my money!