Bush's Place in History.

[DuncanONeil]

The issue of seeing Obama as a messiah stems from the refusal to consider or allow any critical review of any part of his progroms, work history, or advisors. His stint in Congress was spent running for a promotion, his position in Il was spent having legislation handed to him, and largely voting "present". Oh Yes and voting to kill newborns.

[Belgarold]

The issue of seeing Obama as a messiah stems from the refusal to consider or allow any critical review of any part of his progroms, work history, or advisors. His stint in Congress was spent running for a promotion, his position in Il was spent having legislation handed to him, and largely voting "present". Oh Yes and voting to kill newborns.

To me this partisan viewpoint shows that the 'messiah' myth is a partisan one. I don't believe that any bill has been put forth, anywhere that was based on killing newborns. COuld you please explain this inflammatory statement.

[DuncanONeil]

To me this partisan viewpoint shows that the 'messiah' myth is a partisan one. I don't believe that any bill has been put forth, anywhere that was based on killing newborns. COuld you please explain this inflammatory statement.

Nothing partisan about it. That is simply an analysis of how people reacted to Obama and to any criticism of him or ideas.
As a member of the Il Legislature Obama voted for a bill (SB1095eng 92nd General Assembly). This bill would have required that any child that survived an abortion be treated as any other citizen. He voted against the bill in favor of a person not mentioned in the bill. Result he voted to allow the death of newborn.

[Belgarold]

Nothing partisan about it. That is simply an analysis of how people reacted to Obama and to any criticism of him or ideas.
As a member of the Il Legislature Obama voted for a bill (SB1095eng 92nd General Assembly). This bill would have required that any child that survived an abortion be treated as any other citizen. He voted against the bill in favor of a person not mentioned in the bill. Result he voted to allow the death of newborn.

mmmhmmm Nothing partisan about it? He voted against a bill, many people vote against bills for many reason. NO ONE voted FOR killing newborns.

[DuncanONeil]

mmmhmmm Nothing partisan about it? He voted against a bill, many people vote against bills for many reason. NO ONE voted FOR killing newborns.

But that was the result! His stated reason because to vote for it could result in overturn of RoevWade. Yet no one other than the child is mentioned in the bill.

[Dr_BuzzCzar]

Nothing partisan about it. That is simply an analysis of how people reacted to Obama and to any criticism of him or ideas.
As a member of the IL Legislature Obama voted for a bill (SB1095eng 92nd General Assembly). This bill would have required that any child that survived an abortion be treated as any other citizen. He voted against the bill in favor of a person not mentioned in the bill. Result he voted to allow the death of newborn.

Obama opposed the language of this type bill(s) multiple times and his explanation was that the language in the bill(s) would have been a de facto overturning of Roe V Wade through the "Equal Protection" clause of the 14th Amendment. He has said that he supported the similar federal bill that Bush signed into law since the wording protected the right to abortion. When the IL bill added an amendment that precisely mimicked the federal wording in 2005 the bill passed the IL Senate by a 52-0 vote. Obama says he supported that bill as well.

He and others rightly point out that there were already laws on the IL books protecting viable fetuses and that all life is protected by Doctor's Hippocratic Oath requirements.

[DuncanONeil]

There is no language in the bill that even mentions the mother. The only entity mention is the child that survives. In the language of the bill "the words "person", "human being", "child", and "individual" include every infant member of the species homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.
No where in the bill is the mother mentioned. That being the case how does the fact the the child is born alive and has rights affect anyones abortion decisions?

[damyanti]

The issue of seeing Obama as a messiah stems from the refusal to consider or allow any critical review of any part of his progroms, work history, or advisors. His stint in Congress was spent running for a promotion, his position in Il was spent having legislation handed to him, and largely voting "present". Oh Yes and voting to kill newborns.

1. There has been and still is a lot of harsh talk against Obamas program and his work and personal history....which is I assume what passes for "critical review" these days.

2. Nobody ever voted "to kill newborns". Abortion views are a private matter. But if you really insist on it....I suppose its much better to raise them and ship them off to Iraq so they can be tortured and killed and all so some very corrupted rich people can get even more rich.

[DuncanONeil]

1. There has been and still is a lot of harsh talk against Obamas program and his work and personal history....which is I assume what passes for "critical review" these days.

2. Nobody ever voted "to kill newborns". Abortion views are a private matter. But if you really insist on it....I suppose its much better to raise them and ship them off to Iraq so they can be tortured and killed and all so some very corrupted rich people can get even more rich.

1 Harsh talk about a poorly thought out progrom that is poorly veiled earmarks? No there is no reason to question the "plan". That is point in fact evidence of the messiah syndrome.

2. The bill had nothing to do with abortion, except for the fact that it refers to a child that survives the abortion procedure. The bill granted all rights of the nation to that child and your guy voted to deny those rights. Result those children are set off on the side and allowed to die!

[DuncanONeil]

1. There has been and still is a lot of harsh talk against Obamas program and his work and personal history....which is I assume what passes for "critical review" these days.

2. Nobody ever voted "to kill newborns". Abortion views are a private matter. But if you really insist on it....I suppose its much better to raise them and ship them off to Iraq so they can be tortured and killed and all so some very corrupted rich people can get even more rich.

I may have responded to this already. This is exactly what is meant by his being viewed as a messiah. Any attempt to address his history, experience, or plans is always characterized as a "harsh attack".

[mkemse]

The issue of seeing Obama as a messiah stems from the refusal to consider or allow any critical review of any part of his progroms, work history, or advisors. His stint in Congress was spent running for a promotion, his position in Il was spent having legislation handed to him, and largely voting "present". Oh Yes and voting to kill newborns.

Killing newborn is not right, but it is ok to send 18 year olds to war to be killed, what is the difference killing is killing

I believe thier is a there are 10 Commanments 1 of which is "Thall Shall Not Kill" is this mean exclusely for new borns?? if not, then again sending 18 years olds off to war to be killed is just as bad, killing is killing regardless of age

[DuncanONeil]

Soldiers in war are not sent to be killed. The newborn has no control of their life those that CHOOSE to join the military made an informed choice.